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the grease, you know, that greases the wheels that get things done. i think john mccain did a tremendous disservice to this country by making such a huge campaign about earmarks when there are far bigger and more important targets to be met on -- >> i think that's one of the great things about the movie, loved the movie is that progress is never made through pure means and everybody has this vision of lincoln and this idea of lincoln was so forthright but he employed impure means in order to accomplish something that was going to make the country progress, the 13th amendment and that i think is a great lesson. >> definition of politics. >> yes, it is. let me note on this, by the way, i have a feeling the grail on this whole issue is going to be all about spending and entitlement reform as we've been looking at the whole tax debate, the past six month, no, it's going to be about spending and entitlement reform if republicans see serious movement there they will be much more likely to go here. >> we got to take a quick break and lots more coming up from the roundtable. >>> what can the gop
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